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Noah makes deal to avoid jail time
By APRIL DUDASH, Alligator Staff Writer
After two run–ins with Gainesville law enforcement over Memorial Day weekend, former UF basketball player Joakim Noah entered a contract Tuesday evening that will allow his criminal charges to eventually be dropped.
Police charged Noah early Sunday morning for an open container violation and possession of less than 20 grams of cannabis. The misdemeanors carry punishments of up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine. Noah was originally issued a notice to appear in court, but it was suspended after he entered into a contract with the State Attorney’s Office, said Spencer Mann, spokesman for the office.
The contract requires Noah to pay fines totalling $200. He will be on probation for six months. If he does not violate any laws during that time, his charges will be dropped.
Police charged Noah early Sunday morning for an open container violation and possession of less than 20 grams of cannabis. The misdemeanors carry punishments of up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine. Noah was originally issued a notice to appear in court, but it was suspended after he entered into a contract with the State Attorney’s Office, said Spencer Mann, spokesman for the office.
The contract requires Noah to pay fines totalling $200. He will be on probation for six months. If he does not violate any laws during that time, his charges will be dropped.
In a separate incident Sunday evening, Noah was pulled over on campus in a 2008 Hummer for speeding, said Maj. Brad Barber of the University Police Department.
Noah was issued two traffic citations, one for driving without wearing a seat belt and another for driving with a suspended license.
Noah was issued two traffic citations, one for driving without wearing a seat belt and another for driving with a suspended license.
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Inflatable Jesus wrote on May 29, 2008 1:36 PM:
" ufgrad10, you're off-base. Nobody in Alachua County goes to jail for weed and open container violations. He got the standard deal offered to everyone. "
monkeyhustle24 wrote on May 30, 2008 8:53 AM:
" So I agree Noah acts a little immature and does some silly things, but smoking weed is not a big deal. It's way healthier than alcohol, isn't physically addicting and relaxes those who are stressed or have medical issues.Noah does what a good percentage of well functioning working Americans do on a daily basis. He just got caught for do something that shouldn't even be illegal. Go Gators! No more open containers.. "
youranidiot wrote on May 31, 2008 3:19 PM:
" actually thats all GPD does is bring people the the jail for open container and possession chargers...i work at the jail and see it everyday
as to weed not being a big deal, your kids are here and look up to him, people like noah make it look acceptable to do those things and get away with it...gainesville is run by UF, and im kinda surprised they let this even hit the paper without covering it up "
as to weed not being a big deal, your kids are here and look up to him, people like noah make it look acceptable to do those things and get away with it...gainesville is run by UF, and im kinda surprised they let this even hit the paper without covering it up "
youranidiot wrote on May 31, 2008 3:51 PM:
" actually thats all GPD does is bring people the the jail for open container and possession chargers...i work at the jail and see it everyday
as to weed not being a big deal, your kids are here and look up to him, people like noah make it look acceptable to do those things and get away with it...gainesville is run by UF, and im kinda surprised they let this even hit the paper without covering it up "
as to weed not being a big deal, your kids are here and look up to him, people like noah make it look acceptable to do those things and get away with it...gainesville is run by UF, and im kinda surprised they let this even hit the paper without covering it up "
Milton wrote on Jun 2, 2008 8:39 AM:
" To youranidiot: How is weed a big deal? How many livers does it destroy? How many fights and rapes does it cause? Who causes more accidents: drunks or pot heads? And there are plenty of pot heads on the road trust me. Pot is even in the bible: "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." (Genesis 9:3). Police need to think for themselves and decide what is moral? Wouldn't that be something? "
Milton wrote on Jun 2, 2008 8:43 AM:
" Open container is not a big deal either. There are many towns throughout Florida that allow open container. Noah just so happen to be in a town that has a bunch of sticks up.... Lighten up and try to remember what it is like to be a human being. "
gmc wrote on Jun 3, 2008 12:22 PM:
" shame on those gainesville police for doing their job and upholding the law!
and for all those idiots who think marijuana is harmless, here's the latest:
http://health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100204691 "
and for all those idiots who think marijuana is harmless, here's the latest:
http://health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100204691 "
usuck wrote on Jun 4, 2008 8:59 AM:
" http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/2007/09/13/exercising-in-traffic-is-bad-for-the-heart.html
It seems marijuana is safer than jogging on busy roads. We should make jogging illegal because of this article. I mean its 100% fact, right? Well it'll be a race, joggers vs. smokers who die first. They should do a study on that. We have polluted this planet to the point of were nothing is healthy for us. We should make everything unhealthy, illegal. "
It seems marijuana is safer than jogging on busy roads. We should make jogging illegal because of this article. I mean its 100% fact, right? Well it'll be a race, joggers vs. smokers who die first. They should do a study on that. We have polluted this planet to the point of were nothing is healthy for us. We should make everything unhealthy, illegal. "
gmc wrote on Jun 4, 2008 9:29 AM:
" usuck, don't be a dumba**. marijuana is not illegal just because it causes harm to the body. if that were the sole quality of an illegal substance everything would be illegal. that same tired argument has been used over and over and it sounds dumber every time. "
Milton wrote on Jun 4, 2008 9:46 AM:
" I can't stand people who say that the police are just upholding the law. Do you actually think the law is infallible? Do you think that all law is moral? Gee, would you sell out your morals in order to do your job?
Why don't you read a history book? There are reason that law are thrown out. There are reasons that there is a thing called Jury nullification. I guess the police officers that tased and used violence on Martin Luther King rallies in the 1960s are completely innocent, moral human beings since all they were doing was upholding the law.
Moreover, of course Marijuana is unhealthy. I never said it wasn't. However, it is not as dangerous as eating at McDonalds, or cigarettes, or beer.... Marijuana doesn't mess with the mind as much as religion or tv or Disney World? Bill Clinton smoked weed, and George Bush did not, and who has led are country into the ground? I guess I can go on for ever.... "
Why don't you read a history book? There are reason that law are thrown out. There are reasons that there is a thing called Jury nullification. I guess the police officers that tased and used violence on Martin Luther King rallies in the 1960s are completely innocent, moral human beings since all they were doing was upholding the law.
Moreover, of course Marijuana is unhealthy. I never said it wasn't. However, it is not as dangerous as eating at McDonalds, or cigarettes, or beer.... Marijuana doesn't mess with the mind as much as religion or tv or Disney World? Bill Clinton smoked weed, and George Bush did not, and who has led are country into the ground? I guess I can go on for ever.... "
Milton wrote on Jun 4, 2008 10:03 AM:
" From gmc's website suggestion:
"However, this study shows long-term, heavy cannabis use causes significant brain injury, memory loss, difficulties learning new information, and psychotic symptoms, such as delusions of persecution [paranoia], delusions of mind-reading, and bizarre social behaviors in even non-vulnerable users,"
Ever go to Turlington Plaza and take a look at some of the preachers out there. I guess if Marijuana is illegal, than religion should be illegal.
That site was all about marijuana's effect on the brain. TV is by far more harmful, so is religion and Ritalin.
Go to the beach and smoke a J. You might even write a poem or paint a portrait. Oh yeah, the website doesn't talk about the positive side effects of marijuana, such as ART! "
"However, this study shows long-term, heavy cannabis use causes significant brain injury, memory loss, difficulties learning new information, and psychotic symptoms, such as delusions of persecution [paranoia], delusions of mind-reading, and bizarre social behaviors in even non-vulnerable users,"
Ever go to Turlington Plaza and take a look at some of the preachers out there. I guess if Marijuana is illegal, than religion should be illegal.
That site was all about marijuana's effect on the brain. TV is by far more harmful, so is religion and Ritalin.
Go to the beach and smoke a J. You might even write a poem or paint a portrait. Oh yeah, the website doesn't talk about the positive side effects of marijuana, such as ART! "
gmc wrote on Jun 4, 2008 11:36 AM:
" perhaps i take offense to your comments since my father was an officer for over 35 years and given no respect from and been shot at by people who promote, sell, and use marijuana. These laws were not created by him or any other officer. and during those years has has only drawn (but never fired) his weapon once and rarely had to use restraining force. actually, i'd say most people give officers too little respect for risking their lives daily or being called away from their families at any time, and for very little money relatively. you call them pigs, but would you ever have the balls to do what they do (assuming you find no immorality in current law)? probably not, so zip it.
there is a HUGE difference in police officers that carry out what the law dictates and police officers who take go beyond the law. it is their job to uphold current law with appropriate and necessary force, not to decide what laws they disagree/agree with and not enforce/enforce. Most (of course there are exceptions) officers are good people trying to make a difference via public service to their communities. And if they find it immoral, they can go get another job! BTW, what usually shapes one's morals as they are raised? The religions you make fun of.
if the law says you can't have an open container or marijuana, then you can't blame the police for fining or arresting you just because you don't agree with the law. if you don't like it, DUH, OF COURSE that's what change is for. you must take the appropriate actions to try to change things, and it's doesn't give you the right to break the law in the meantime! "
there is a HUGE difference in police officers that carry out what the law dictates and police officers who take go beyond the law. it is their job to uphold current law with appropriate and necessary force, not to decide what laws they disagree/agree with and not enforce/enforce. Most (of course there are exceptions) officers are good people trying to make a difference via public service to their communities. And if they find it immoral, they can go get another job! BTW, what usually shapes one's morals as they are raised? The religions you make fun of.
if the law says you can't have an open container or marijuana, then you can't blame the police for fining or arresting you just because you don't agree with the law. if you don't like it, DUH, OF COURSE that's what change is for. you must take the appropriate actions to try to change things, and it's doesn't give you the right to break the law in the meantime! "
monkeyhustle24 wrote on Jun 4, 2008 12:13 PM:
" GMC-Nobody is blaming the police for doing there job. That's going off the subject. I'm talking about the crime itself. I'm sorry your father's life was put in danger from drug dealers, but this is once again going off the subject. Your father's life wouldn't be in danger if marijuana wasn't illegal in the first place. If alcohol was illegal, he'd be dealing with the same thing. "
Milton wrote on Jun 4, 2008 1:27 PM:
" Again, ever read a history book? Ever heard of Elliot Nest? If your father would have been a cop during Prohibition, you would hate alchole and not marijuana. Marijuana was legal then. And there was by FAR more violence do to Prohibition than the banning of Marijuana.
Moreover, there are Cops out there that don't give a damn about Marijuana and will even let you keep Marijuana because they know that it is not as bad as the Man thinks it is. This is called morality. This is also called: thinking for oneself instead of being a robot. Everybody knows Marijuana is not as bad as alchole, yet it is criminalized in all but 14 states. At the very least, Marijuana should be decriminalized.
By the way, the police officers who used violence against the MLK rallies where not going beyond the law. Those police should have REALIZED that the LAW is immoral. But they were just doing there job. That mentality of "just doing there job," is what the Nazis went on at the trial at Nuremburg. I have said this for years. I am not compairing the nazis to our police. I am merely pointing out that you exibit the same mentality.
Police officers are under educated. Instead of that stupid, football major called: Criminal Justice ... Police Officers should have to take courses in Plato, history, and psychology. Even if the police are "just doing there job" it is downright cruel to lock people up for marijuana and/or open container. And the human being in them should tell them that. "
Moreover, there are Cops out there that don't give a damn about Marijuana and will even let you keep Marijuana because they know that it is not as bad as the Man thinks it is. This is called morality. This is also called: thinking for oneself instead of being a robot. Everybody knows Marijuana is not as bad as alchole, yet it is criminalized in all but 14 states. At the very least, Marijuana should be decriminalized.
By the way, the police officers who used violence against the MLK rallies where not going beyond the law. Those police should have REALIZED that the LAW is immoral. But they were just doing there job. That mentality of "just doing there job," is what the Nazis went on at the trial at Nuremburg. I have said this for years. I am not compairing the nazis to our police. I am merely pointing out that you exibit the same mentality.
Police officers are under educated. Instead of that stupid, football major called: Criminal Justice ... Police Officers should have to take courses in Plato, history, and psychology. Even if the police are "just doing there job" it is downright cruel to lock people up for marijuana and/or open container. And the human being in them should tell them that. "
gmc wrote on Jun 4, 2008 4:49 PM:
" first, monkey, my personal experiences shape my thoughts and are therefore relevant.
second, milton, thanks a lot. you didn't compare police to nazi's but you did compare me to them for no good reason. your nazi argument is crap in that the decision to torture and kill millions is no where near comparable to the decision to arrest a few stupid intoxicated kids on game day....unless you equate a life with your weed. plus, get this, there are actually people who don't think smoking marijuana is moral! also, i want to give you a big thanks for all men and women in service who you effectively deemed stupid. a college degree is required of them and it includes coursework in history and psychology. so get off your frickin high horse.
personally, i could give hoot if they legalize marijuana and all potheads smoke themselves into outer space. clearly those individuals have no self(or portion) control. but people must STOP perpetuating the idea that smoking is healthy, beneficial, without consequence, and of great import. it's beyond disgusting how high up on their lists of priorities some find drinking and smoking. "
second, milton, thanks a lot. you didn't compare police to nazi's but you did compare me to them for no good reason. your nazi argument is crap in that the decision to torture and kill millions is no where near comparable to the decision to arrest a few stupid intoxicated kids on game day....unless you equate a life with your weed. plus, get this, there are actually people who don't think smoking marijuana is moral! also, i want to give you a big thanks for all men and women in service who you effectively deemed stupid. a college degree is required of them and it includes coursework in history and psychology. so get off your frickin high horse.
personally, i could give hoot if they legalize marijuana and all potheads smoke themselves into outer space. clearly those individuals have no self(or portion) control. but people must STOP perpetuating the idea that smoking is healthy, beneficial, without consequence, and of great import. it's beyond disgusting how high up on their lists of priorities some find drinking and smoking. "
Milton wrote on Jun 4, 2008 5:22 PM:
" First, I knew that you would not understand the nazi argument. I was pointing out the "the law is the law" is a provincial attitude that you use as an excuse to allow immoral behavior such as locking up people for a substance that is less harmful than cigarettes.
Second, it does not take much to be a police officer. The CJ major is a joke, that is why Football players take it. And it disturbs me that the people who police me have a lesser education. I think that I am justified in having that belief.
And as for the people who think marijuana is immoral, I would love for them to explain why. Please explain why marijuana is immoral ... I'm begging you!
I guarantee that I have a better argument that TV is more immoral than marijuana. I have a much better argument against religion as well. How about alcohol...? You don't seem to get the point .... in no way does marijuana morally constitute being locked up, whether it is the cop's job or not. It's downright cruel, and the cop should no longer call him or herself a human being but a robot. Get it? "
Second, it does not take much to be a police officer. The CJ major is a joke, that is why Football players take it. And it disturbs me that the people who police me have a lesser education. I think that I am justified in having that belief.
And as for the people who think marijuana is immoral, I would love for them to explain why. Please explain why marijuana is immoral ... I'm begging you!
I guarantee that I have a better argument that TV is more immoral than marijuana. I have a much better argument against religion as well. How about alcohol...? You don't seem to get the point .... in no way does marijuana morally constitute being locked up, whether it is the cop's job or not. It's downright cruel, and the cop should no longer call him or herself a human being but a robot. Get it? "
Milton wrote on Jun 4, 2008 5:28 PM:
" P.S. I don't take any type of drugs whatsoever. I have years ago, and I am speaking from experience and education. It disturbs me that people are thrown in jail for marijuana. I much rather see Prohibition instead, at least that way there won't be as many rapes, drunk driving accidents and so on. "
Milton wrote on Jun 4, 2008 5:35 PM:
" But please don't get me wrong again ... if I had to choose between marijuana or alcohol to be legal, I would choose marijuana. If prohibition ever hit, the people would overthrow the government. "
monkeyhustle24 wrote on Jun 4, 2008 6:20 PM:
" GMC-Who's morals are you referring to, your or the Bible?
"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." (Genesis 9:3).
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Per Yahoo...Question--What does the bible say about smoking marijuana?
is it a sin or can i still do this and be a christian???
Best answer per Yahoo--While The Bible doesn't name it, it DOES say we are to put only natural things into our bodies and marijuana is a totally natural herb that until made illegal, was used by many cultures in many ways for it's healing ability. (Smoked, drank as tea, used in cooking.) And those ancient people lived long, healthy lives. "
"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." (Genesis 9:3).
*************************************************
Per Yahoo...Question--What does the bible say about smoking marijuana?
is it a sin or can i still do this and be a christian???
Best answer per Yahoo--While The Bible doesn't name it, it DOES say we are to put only natural things into our bodies and marijuana is a totally natural herb that until made illegal, was used by many cultures in many ways for it's healing ability. (Smoked, drank as tea, used in cooking.) And those ancient people lived long, healthy lives. "
gmc wrote on Jun 5, 2008 12:27 PM:
" god, i'm so bored with you guys already...i'm done! please don't talk to me like i'm a child just because i disagree with you (which is ok, btw). though my view that marijuana is dumb and officers deserve a bit of respect for the risks they take is an obvious minority in a college town, it isn't without merit. as i said, i could give a flying fu*k if you or anyone else smokes (or drinks too much, or watches too much tv, or plays too many video games, etc.) but it isn't ok to perpetuate the idea that it is safe. it is well-documented that marijuana is addictive and that people can get date raped, do things they normally wouldn't, or get into car accidents while intoxicated by pot, and anyone who says differently is "under educated."
and puh-lease don't hide behind the "god put it here so we can use it"/"it's medicinal" argument. i'd have more respect for you if you said "i just want to have a good time." in his writings, milton himself even described marijuana as immoral (freudian slip perhaps.) it's also known that religious writings advise to treat your body like a temple (if you want to take it there), and i highly doubt that such things qualify. i understand some cultures have used it and there are clearly some positive applications, however the naturally grown marijuana is a far cry from the selectively bred and enhanced cultivars highly prized by recreational smokers...and it isn't for the "medicinal healing qualities." these forms have insanely greater concentrations of chemicals than natural cannabis and therefore have much greater effects on the body, most of which (at those levels) are not therapeutic or healthy.
ON RAPE AND ACCIDENTS:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18349349?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10845178?ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17332811?ordinalpos=14&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224?ordinalpos=5&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17063218?ordinalpos=17&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16854704?ordinalpos=21&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16641831?ordinalpos=25&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
ON ADDICTIVE PROPERTIES:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18485619?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18485619?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum "
and puh-lease don't hide behind the "god put it here so we can use it"/"it's medicinal" argument. i'd have more respect for you if you said "i just want to have a good time." in his writings, milton himself even described marijuana as immoral (freudian slip perhaps.) it's also known that religious writings advise to treat your body like a temple (if you want to take it there), and i highly doubt that such things qualify. i understand some cultures have used it and there are clearly some positive applications, however the naturally grown marijuana is a far cry from the selectively bred and enhanced cultivars highly prized by recreational smokers...and it isn't for the "medicinal healing qualities." these forms have insanely greater concentrations of chemicals than natural cannabis and therefore have much greater effects on the body, most of which (at those levels) are not therapeutic or healthy.
ON RAPE AND ACCIDENTS:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18349349?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10845178?ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17332811?ordinalpos=14&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17916224?ordinalpos=5&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17063218?ordinalpos=17&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16854704?ordinalpos=21&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16641831?ordinalpos=25&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
ON ADDICTIVE PROPERTIES:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18485619?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18485619?ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum "
gatorphotographer wrote on Jun 5, 2008 2:14 PM:
" Milton, please tell me you're not a UF grad because your spelling and grammar is atrocious. It's very pompous of you to think of yourself above the "football" majors when you represent yourself so badly on this site.
You do need to wake up to the dangers of marijuana and realize that what is smoked recreationally nowadays is nothing like the natural stuff smoked in centuries past.
But then I'm guessing you're too busy ridiculing other people and congratulating yourself on how cool you are to actually read up on this.
Thanks for the links, gmc. "
You do need to wake up to the dangers of marijuana and realize that what is smoked recreationally nowadays is nothing like the natural stuff smoked in centuries past.
But then I'm guessing you're too busy ridiculing other people and congratulating yourself on how cool you are to actually read up on this.
Thanks for the links, gmc. "
genius wrote on Jun 5, 2008 6:58 PM:
" And Bush never got a ticket or arrested for doing cocaine and being a drunk. or being a wife beater or being corrupt or being a thief or being a mass murderer or being a torturer or stealing from the American people to make himself and his buddies rich off of an illegal invasion or lying to Congress, etc, etc. "
Milton wrote on Jun 6, 2008 9:10 AM:
" I apologize for the misspelling and grammar mistakes. The errors that you are referring to happened before Game 6 of the NHL championship. Sorry. If you look at my earliest comments you will find good spelling and grammar. I respect you pointing this out because I too find bad grammar atrocious.
As for the dangers of marijuana, again, I never said it is unhealthy! What I have said is that marijuana is not as bad as other legal substances, such as alcohol. Do you get it? Do you get it? Do you get it? Alcohol is far more harmful to the consumer and the people around him or her than marijuana? Do you get it? This is quite obvious.
As for gmc, sorry, but if you are going to continue to misread my comments than I am going to continue. First, I never perpetuated the idea that marijuana is safe. Thats a fact. I am merely pointing out that it is less harmful than other legal substances. I also never said that rape and car accidents will not happen if people smoked marijuana instead of drink alcohol. What I said was clear, given the grammar problems. I said that there would not be as much rape, fights, car accidents, and etc. Do you get it? Stop and reread what I just wrote. I never described marijuana as immoral. I wouldnt know where to begin. I dont think you have a good understanding of what morals are. That does not mean you dont have morals. Let me give you an example: if I were to smoke marijuana for the first time and it caused me to strike a child, only the action of striking the child is immoral. The action of smoking was not immoral because I had no idea that it would cause me to act different. (Please let me continue.) Now that I know how marijuana influences my judgment, I would be morally wrong to smoke marijuana again because I know that it would lead to the suffering of another individual. Do you see my point? Sitting down and getting your kicks is in no way immoral. Now, I have demonstrated how marijuana could be harmful to others, and I will grant you this much. Likewise, the act of drinking alcohol within itself is not immoral. (Please note that there is a difference between not immoral, immoral, and moral. Please try to understand this.) However, it is obvious that alcohol would cause the striking of a child far far far more often than marijuana. And we can change the immoral action of striking a child to anything, such as rapes and shootings, and alcohol would still be more likely to cause such a behavior than marijuana. I am in no way saying that marijuana is harmless. I am stating the facts, and why I think it is disturbing to lock someone up for marijuana. And I am sorry I brought up the Christian argument. Even though, Jesus himself perpetuates self-mutilation: Matthew 19:12 (King James Version) For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. I guess cutting off ones balls is considered taking care of ones temple. Since I find christianity to be the scourge of the world, I will end on this not: there are far more christians who see angels and god and devils than smokers of marijuana claiming that Jim Morrison is still alive. Someone once said, When one person is delusional it is called insanity. When a group of people is delusional it is called religion. Chew on that.
P.S. The CJ major is still a joke. "
As for the dangers of marijuana, again, I never said it is unhealthy! What I have said is that marijuana is not as bad as other legal substances, such as alcohol. Do you get it? Do you get it? Do you get it? Alcohol is far more harmful to the consumer and the people around him or her than marijuana? Do you get it? This is quite obvious.
As for gmc, sorry, but if you are going to continue to misread my comments than I am going to continue. First, I never perpetuated the idea that marijuana is safe. Thats a fact. I am merely pointing out that it is less harmful than other legal substances. I also never said that rape and car accidents will not happen if people smoked marijuana instead of drink alcohol. What I said was clear, given the grammar problems. I said that there would not be as much rape, fights, car accidents, and etc. Do you get it? Stop and reread what I just wrote. I never described marijuana as immoral. I wouldnt know where to begin. I dont think you have a good understanding of what morals are. That does not mean you dont have morals. Let me give you an example: if I were to smoke marijuana for the first time and it caused me to strike a child, only the action of striking the child is immoral. The action of smoking was not immoral because I had no idea that it would cause me to act different. (Please let me continue.) Now that I know how marijuana influences my judgment, I would be morally wrong to smoke marijuana again because I know that it would lead to the suffering of another individual. Do you see my point? Sitting down and getting your kicks is in no way immoral. Now, I have demonstrated how marijuana could be harmful to others, and I will grant you this much. Likewise, the act of drinking alcohol within itself is not immoral. (Please note that there is a difference between not immoral, immoral, and moral. Please try to understand this.) However, it is obvious that alcohol would cause the striking of a child far far far more often than marijuana. And we can change the immoral action of striking a child to anything, such as rapes and shootings, and alcohol would still be more likely to cause such a behavior than marijuana. I am in no way saying that marijuana is harmless. I am stating the facts, and why I think it is disturbing to lock someone up for marijuana. And I am sorry I brought up the Christian argument. Even though, Jesus himself perpetuates self-mutilation: Matthew 19:12 (King James Version) For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. I guess cutting off ones balls is considered taking care of ones temple. Since I find christianity to be the scourge of the world, I will end on this not: there are far more christians who see angels and god and devils than smokers of marijuana claiming that Jim Morrison is still alive. Someone once said, When one person is delusional it is called insanity. When a group of people is delusional it is called religion. Chew on that.
P.S. The CJ major is still a joke. "
monkeyhustle24 wrote on Jun 6, 2008 10:47 AM:
" GMC said--"it is well-documented that marijuana is addictive and that people can get date raped, do things they normally wouldn't, or get into car accidents while intoxicated by pot, and anyone who says differently is "under educated."
GMC-You obviously haven't smoked it before.It's not physically additcting like cigarettes (nicotine). How exactly would one get date raped by smoking pot? It makes some people fall asleep, but saying someone was date raped because of weed is a bit of a stretch. An example of a date rape drug is GHB as it's a clear liquid that can be slipped into drinks and make the victim pass out without even knowing he or she drank a drug. Alcohol is definitely the cause of many rapes, but marijuana? There is evidence marijuana helps those with cancer, aids and glaucoma. Why do you think patients are given it by doctors? It's practially legal in California and some other states out West. Finally, you are the one who seems "under educated." Don't you mean uneducated. I graduated from UF and also took an elective called Drugs and Alchol that covered every type of recreational drug that exists. Perhaps your the one who is "under educated." "
GMC-You obviously haven't smoked it before.It's not physically additcting like cigarettes (nicotine). How exactly would one get date raped by smoking pot? It makes some people fall asleep, but saying someone was date raped because of weed is a bit of a stretch. An example of a date rape drug is GHB as it's a clear liquid that can be slipped into drinks and make the victim pass out without even knowing he or she drank a drug. Alcohol is definitely the cause of many rapes, but marijuana? There is evidence marijuana helps those with cancer, aids and glaucoma. Why do you think patients are given it by doctors? It's practially legal in California and some other states out West. Finally, you are the one who seems "under educated." Don't you mean uneducated. I graduated from UF and also took an elective called Drugs and Alchol that covered every type of recreational drug that exists. Perhaps your the one who is "under educated." "
Milton wrote on Jun 6, 2008 11:01 AM:
" I have just noticed several grammar mistakes in my last comment. Such as missing letters and punctuation. Sorry. Next time I'll profreed. "
monkeyhustle wrote on Jun 6, 2008 11:59 AM:
" If you really want to learn the TRUTH about marijuana...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)
Milton said "Since I find christianity to be the scourge of the world, I will end on this not: there are far more christians who see angels and god and devils than smokers of marijuana claiming that Jim Morrison is still alive. Someone once said, When one person is delusional it is called insanity. When a group of people is delusional it is called religion. Chew on that.
Milton-I have to admit I had no idea what scourge was until I looked it up LOL.
Definition--A scourge (from Italian scoriada, from Latin excoriare = "to flay" and corium = "skin") is a whip or lash, especially a multi-thong type used to inflict severe corporal punishment or self-mortification on the back?
I know you were kind of just joking but... :) I'm a Christian who smokes pot. I don't see angels, the devil and definitely don't believe Jim Morrison is alive. However, I do sometimes have dreams of being in a desert with Jim and his weird naked indian friend :) (Waynes World II) Also, a true Christian believes in God, the son of God (Jesus), angels, demons and the devil. However, most Christians don't expect to ever see these things. That's why Christianity is based on faith. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)
Milton said "Since I find christianity to be the scourge of the world, I will end on this not: there are far more christians who see angels and god and devils than smokers of marijuana claiming that Jim Morrison is still alive. Someone once said, When one person is delusional it is called insanity. When a group of people is delusional it is called religion. Chew on that.
Milton-I have to admit I had no idea what scourge was until I looked it up LOL.
Definition--A scourge (from Italian scoriada, from Latin excoriare = "to flay" and corium = "skin") is a whip or lash, especially a multi-thong type used to inflict severe corporal punishment or self-mortification on the back?
I know you were kind of just joking but... :) I'm a Christian who smokes pot. I don't see angels, the devil and definitely don't believe Jim Morrison is alive. However, I do sometimes have dreams of being in a desert with Jim and his weird naked indian friend :) (Waynes World II) Also, a true Christian believes in God, the son of God (Jesus), angels, demons and the devil. However, most Christians don't expect to ever see these things. That's why Christianity is based on faith. "
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